In my case I used one primary bike setup as follows in two configurations: Canyon Bike Setup #1: Garmin Vector 3 pedals (dual-sided), 4iiii Precision Podium (dual-sided) *** For use with SRAM RED and Force eTap AXS 12 speed groups on Saris direct drive trainers, Check out this portion of the thread: link to dcrainmaker.com. Would you buy this, or V1 of Volt for the same price if you needed a trainer for the fast-approaching winter? Its great that it will hold 12-speed cassettes. 200w), Includes motor to drive speed (simulate downhill), Can directionally steer trainer (left/right), Can simulate road patterns/shaking (i.e. You wouldnt get the cards in the Jetblack box, but Im guessing since youre here and a DCR Supporter, youre probably familiar enough with bikes to know which skewer/axle size you have (or can simply measure it with a tape measure). With these features, at this price point, the Zwift Hub can do exactly that. The difference between these two is that Zwift races are more packed. The Saris can be had for $360 right now so folks should be jumping on that until it dries us. I feel it mostly when unloading the watts such as hitting the top of a hill and not shifting to a bigger gear. A free program for Windows, by Medical Harbour. Its more than likely just the exact shifts in power that trigger the cadence drops (like on the Zwift Titans Grove rollers): Overall though things are very good accuracy wise in my data sets from a power standpoint. Ideally youll do this workout in the smallest front ring you have (if you have two front chainrings), as it tends to give more accurate results, specifically when it comes to hitting higher wattage targets. Shouldnt be any issue to put a 51t and long cage derailleur. So it surprised everyone today when Zwift announced the Zwift Hub: the first smart trainer ever produced by Zwift. It works in other apps (TrainerRoad, etc. At least that was the answer that I got from Wahoo. Not really interested in the Kickr Climb either. The solution there is obvious: Dont stop pedaling. In this mode, its just like outdoors in that you can change your gearing to make it easier or harder. 60 reviews. Since March I have put 3000 miles on Zwift in addition to my outdoor miles. So if you need to stop often, you dont have to be afraid of forgetting to clip off. Yeah Ive got a Mar26 2020. Do people like Zwift changing the resistance for workouts ? That could however be attributed to multiple recording devices. Exactly as others have described. After that (so at the 11-minute marker), I quickly did the calibration of the trainer, which is why you see the wonk at that point, since you stop pedaling for the spindown: That said, you can see its actually already stabilized/matched by the 8-minute marker above. Saris does have an app thats set to be released shortly, but its not yet functional with the H3 trainer. Tried out the ERG along with some Zwift rides / races and its real quiet and responsive. Most of the time. More than a few people, Im sure, have been disappointed and left scrambling for a replacement at the last minute. From what I read, it appeared to be the unit with the least issues, but clearly others are also having good success with the neo and kickr. I've got three of these $12 fans floating around the DCR Cave, and I frequently use them on rides. Sooo Saris H3 or Kickr smart plus kickr climb? They will allow you to take your feet off the pedals quickly. This is unfortunate because you have to use third-party apps. Tightened both spacers whats an allen wrench and all is solid now. I also wish theyd make a 120mm rear axel spacer so I could chuck my track bike on it. Out of seat saddle I barley broke 600 watts, Im not a great sprinter but can hit 900-1000 no problem. Theres two ways to look at this. \_()_/, Thanks for this, and all of the other reviews All the guts are left biased, so that makes a basic footprint that is shifted left. Very easy fix. Maybe Tredz has a bad batch. The Zwift Hub properly follows virtually all of the trainer transmission and control standards in the industry today, meaning it works with not just Zwift, but any 3rd party app as well, given it follows all of these standards. And I havent seen it on any other rides. Thanks. Their main disadvantage is that you cant adjust their release tension. Correct. 8sp) and simply swap the cassette. I can still get some knocking sounds out of the machine but it has to be fairly bouncy pedaling at low resistance now. Heres that data set: You know what I like about this chart? And lastly, if you felt this review was useful I always appreciate feedback in the comments below. It seems there isnt much of a difference? I think I may have used just a touch of blue, (make sure its not the red) lock tight to make sure it would stay. Or you can change the Zwift Trainer Difficulty level. Their main downsides are that you can clip into them from one side only. I rode for a while, and *BOOM* no ERG mode again. Below, I will help you decide which one you should use. Overall still satisfied. In other words, they are very beginner-friendly. But with HR bridging, the heart rate sensor data gets funneled in the same channel as the trainer data, so it only counts as one channel not two. I just bought a Saris H3 for 430 (+ cassette), which unfortunately basically arrived broken (red light and now no connection possible after first 30 minutes of riding). Thanks for your review of these various products. The H3 includes all the same goodness as the H2 did, including cadence transmission over Bluetooth Smart and ANT+ (something Wahoo still omits Update, now, as of Sept 5th, 2019 theyve added it). So Wahoo have lodged multiple patent violations against Zwift and via that JetBlack for patent violations asserting that the unit is copying the Kickr Core. Additionally, Zwift has so-called pace partners. For fun, if we switch to Zwift, heres a different workout where its still got 3030s (10 of them this time), but also some other intervals. Often times I can only do 60/70, what am I doing wrong? Sent Saturday so hopefully will get response today. Clipless pedals are usually made of metal (aluminum, steel, titanium) or composite (carbon). This is done via the Zwift Companion App (which is the smartphone one). Your email address will not be published. In any case, it is indeed not as loud as my fan and has a nice smooth ride quality. By completing levels, you also get extra rewards from ROUVYs partners like TrainingPeaks (30 days premium account for free), Elite (discount on nutrition related-products), etc. Should I do the same with the Saris H3 or use its power reading? How good is the H3 at high torque e.g. But on the whole, theyre in the same boat as everyone else. Are the setup cards for spacing unique to Zwift and does it integrate easier into the app at all? I know their maybe clearance issues in the 51T sprocket with the der but would love to get it to work out. 1 Second 353 watts 380 watts (+7.11%) I know people make a big deal about including a cassette. I had a nocking issue and it turned out to be the dropout spacers. Anyways, I was having connnection issues but then again, my tablet/Fire HD was doing everything by Bluetooth connections. Though the H3 accuracy is pretty good, so honestly there isnt a huge reason to do so most of the time. They are using real Zwifter fit file data to simulate actual trainer usage including popular ERG sessions, free rides, and races. Someone suggested I might have gotten a returned item with missing components. In-Warranty they will either send me spare parts or replace a faulty unit at no cost. Get all your awesome DC Rainmaker gear here! Ahhhhh, I see. Available in different compounds, a softer compound will provide more grip but wear faster, while a harder compound will last a long time but give less grip. For example, one of the lightest clipless pedals on the market are the Crankbrothers Egg Beater 11, which weighs only 179g (pair). Anyone do this and have any idea what is prompting the rollback? . Theres like 30 trainers to pick from here, any any of them would have been quieter. The pros would only be just a bit beyond that. Thanks for the great article. EU is 2 years total per their laws. Meg D (CycleOps) Could you advise in what to buy? Performance did not change and everything was fine. Theyve logged 1,300+ hours, simulating 2 years of hard usage. Their customer service is exceptional, and they seem to have a clearer vision than before. Thought I would post an update on my experience with the H3. But after riding it, and looking at the data, and looking at their competitors I think they may be in a better situation than one might think at first glance. One of the most easily customised parts of a mountain bike, MTB riders will often find their favourite grip and use this on different bikes. In my case I used one primary bike set up in the following dual-power meter configurations: Canyon Bike Setup: Favero Assioma Dual-sided pedals, Quarq DZero crankset Tightening the right cap will increase load on the two bearings which I think are causing the sound, bit it wont fix the issue. Oh, and you can sign-up for the newsletter here! Please download the TNT Track and Trace App for iOShereand Androidhereso you can keep an eye on your delivery and any further updates. You can try a fix, as suggested in the video or at least research in a similar way. I assume this issue is overheating protection but wanted to make sure. Im not a racer. I extensively research every topic to provide you with the highest added value possible. It finishes back on the desert flats where you can throw down on the sprint again. You get them by riding (regardless of the type of ride you do). In this one, Im demonstrating what happens if you dont do any calibration/spin-down. *shrug*, But any bike shop should have one, and you could use the skewer from your bike when you put it on the H3. Randolph, It works great for Zwift. Please note: For hygiene reasons, we cannot accept returns of facemasks, undershorts or underwear if the item has been removed/unsealed from its original packaging. Twelve speed cassette would not fit on the Saris XD/XDR freehub body? However, this is nothing that will likely affect you while riding. But it does feature a new drive mechanism with a new belt as well, thats resulted in a reduction of noise though its not silent. Zwift has more sophisticated structured workouts and plans. I have checked to make sure my cassette is installed correctly, and that is not the problem. The first part of that paragraph referenced the rocker plate, and I assumed that was the reference (not switch to the H3, and the time being better spent on making it Climb compatible). A full version app for Windows, by Real Bodywork. Note that one thing youll find with the Zwift Hub (if you have a secondary power meter to check it), is a little bit of drift, due to heat build-up. No idea where you get the information about hardware development from. Next, lets look at a SIM ride, this one in Zwift. Ultimately Its not something that people usually replace often, if at all. No issues at all. As an Amazon Associate, I earn from qualifying purchases.All advice is given to the best of our knowledge. Realistically, most trainers have quirky power gap spots in them, its often a matter of finding them. Ive not been able to find an Apple TV app for Rouvy Id love this as an alternative to Zwift, Thatd be native Rouvy on Apple TV. Available in different thicknesses for comfort preferences and different compounds to provide a different feel on the bike with an array of different colours available to personalise your bike. It seems as though 3 has been resolved for both H2 and H3 and 2 has yet to be fixed for either. Do I need a smart trainer to get started with Zwift? Thank you for writing these I appreciate the attention given to a new rider POV. So two questions: Manufacturers such as Shimano, Time, Look (and others) allow you to adjust it. In the case of Zwift, they plan to introduce (shortly) an auto calibration routine that aims to keep things closer, especially during those first 10 minutes. I cant find any info on the net about this v2, Hi Vassili, the only main difference between the v1 AND v2 is the frame shape to allow more Disc Mounted bikes. Another issue was ERG mode dropping. Even the Tacx Neos with their claimed flex = NO Now given the H3 is a smart trainer, itll change resistance automatically in a few different ways, primarily driven by different applications/methods. I also bought the H3 with REI discount and I also had the same problem with the noise. Zwifts aim here was to make the mounting process simple, especially if you dont know the difference between thru-axle and quick-release, or exactly which thru-axle length you have. The main/singular reason youd want to do this is for Apple TV usage of Zwift or other apps. Ive been using this route for a few years to test trainer responsiveness, as its actually a great way to see how quickly trainers can respond, plus it has a nice flat section later for some high flywheel speed testing. Erg efforts feel 20-30% off. The visual experience is entirely different from ROUVY. Its disappointing to say the least. The other part is flat. I swim, bike and run. Part of me thinks I should just keep the Neo 2 and wait until next season for the bike. It arrived today and I had my first ride in Zwift this afternoon. That was then replaced with a different unit in mid-September, which Ive used since. et Cie, S.C.A. Theyve taken pains to simplify The Hubs setup process, providing a nicely-designed printed Quick-Start guide in the box plus help videos at zwift.com/hub/setup. For today Ive compared it against the Wahoo KICKR 2018, Tacx NEO2, and Elite Drivo IIand the slightly less expensive KICKR CORE (but spec-wise competes very well). Seems this is a definite issue for the H3. Otherwise will see what Saris and Sigma suggest. Today Zwift starts selling their first smart trainer, the Zwift Hub. Make sure this fits by entering your model number. The app uses your connected power meter as the source of truth and adjusts the trainer resistance to whatever level is needed to hit and hold the power target. Has Saris updated the plastic body or does the RD cage still hit when youre in the biggest gear? Both apps have multiplayer. (So far). Will keep you posted. By applying resistance control, apps can simulate climbs as well as set specific wattage targets. Any faster and its actually too fast, and any slower and youre burning interval time. If we zoom in for fun, we can see at the 1-minute marker, were about 8 watts below Rally: By the 6-minute marker were in the 4-6 watt range: And by the 10-minute marker were within a watt (which, one could debate the merits ofbut wed be here all day): So I then did two calibrations (as seen below, I did two because I forgot to get screenshots the first time). I have been keeping the H3 in reserve, not using it, because I think Ill end up having just one trainer soon, as my Neo sounds like it has a mouse inside it (fan failing? Only the sound of your drivetrain is heard The good, the bad, and the ugly. I mean, it wasnt a *bad* trainer, I rode that thing like a maniac, but you HAD to do *something* to control the noise, and being a maniac probably helped more than people would think (You had to really want to ride it) I, the once bitten, twice shy owner of an H2 was actually shocked that the H3 WAS so quiet. I did have a clunking sound in the first few rides but that turned out to be the factory installed dropout spacers not being very tight and a quick tightening of the spacers and no more clunking sound. I was planning to go with a discounted Neo 2 as it seems to be a relatively reliable machine. Are you planning on doing one yourself? And on regular SIM (e.g. That sucks. I aim to leave no stone unturned. Perhaps others should do nifty QC cards too. It might shift to 5% before the hill, so everyone is going fast, and your going up hill. And the spring clip provides a minimal surface for mud to occupy. Download Free DICOM Viewer la If youre new around these parts, heres the long version of my story. I had the Stages Power meter connected solid, no issues but the H3 wouldnt stay solid and kept losing Signal. Belt, pulley and freehub (Hammer series, not Magnus series) are 1 year. Speed measurement and trip distance are easily navigable via the Velo 9's large screen whilst calorie consumption and a carbon offset measure show you how much good you're doing! At which point the calibration is complete. I tested the other H3 today (the replacement for the one REI would not take back). For now though, Ive been rockin the H3 trainer over the last few weeks and have a pretty good grasp of things. I got my trainer last November, 2019. Electronics is 90 Days from date of purchaseno questions asked unless abuse or normal wear and tear. Before getting into the issues I can say that it rides well with great road feel and no power and cadence issues when comparing live data with my Power2Max. But it is quieter than most other trainers, so I think for now itll hold its own. They are great for larger distances thanks to their large platform that provides your feet with better support. Called Sariss 800 number, and it rang busy. Tried riding again, no dice, no ERG. If the Sram Force AXS is 12 speed which I think it is. In case you didnt already and are living life dangerously, nows a good time to unfold the legs as well. After which, the Zwift Hub basically floats 1-3w below Rally (great!) The most common question I receive outside of the whats the best GPS watch for me variant, are photography-esq based. Is it less important for the trainer to be as accurate or would it oscillate more because it isnt? What the H2 should have been. Whether you have a gravel bike with flat or clipless pedals, I recommend the following types of shoes.For flats Mountain bike shoes for flat pedals Non cycling shoes for cyclingFor clipless pedals Gravel bike shoes Mountain bike shoes Hybrid shoes (casual shoes with 2-hole cleats configuration)Depending on your riding style, go for softer shoes that allow you easier walking or stiff shoes that ensure maximum power transfer. Im using a Sigma Rox 12.0, Garmin Vector 3 pedals and the trainer is controlled by the Android app Indoor Cycling Workout. And quite frankly even if I had been in the market for hardware, Zwift customer service is aweful. It wont calibrate on Zwift. Don't overthink this. Guys new elite direto xr, zwift hub or refurbished wahoo kickr core? I cant find a model number anywhere on it. Seems like a downgrade in every angle I can pictuer. I put in a support ticket, took the required video documentation, submitted while on the phone with customer service on Friday afternoon and was told a replacement would be in order. Watch the following video to find out more about the proper pedaling technique. I awoke early yesterday and ordered this at 5am. I guess the Core will have to do. FulGaz is the closest and the most similar indoor cycling app to ROUVY. Heres those data files: Again what do you notice? Im happy with that: And looking at the Mean-Max power curve, things are very good there too: But there is one catch though: The built-in cadence number: Thats hot garbage. If you have the GCN's Broadband or Dial-Up Modem. I just replaced my Elite Direto with the H3 and I am very disappointed with this lag issue. Instead of saying on top of the gear. This ensures theres no slippage, while also reducing (basically eliminating) noise. I have been helping a VI rider with getting set up for training indoors, as well as piloting him outdoors for races etc. Thanks. Flag any particular issues you may encounter and Softonic will address those concerns as soon as possible. That tells me all I need to know about Wahoo even though I love there cadence/speed/head units. I use the power meter to the Garmin head unit and they are almost always about the same. If you got a good one, then you got lucky and there many be thousands of you so whatever, you roll the dice. Itll usually work this way, except, it wont be as stable and you might tip over down the (virtual) road. Our take: if Zwift is able to get this right, theyve got a winner on their hands. The biggest issue Ive heard some complain about is the flywheel effect. CyclistsHub is supported by its readers. Doing so will set the trainer back in alignment for the remainder of the ride. The extremely soft rubber will give you excellent control and maximum comfort. Im starting to believe that Saris sold all the defectives H3 with the pandemic. It DOES NOT, however, support these protocols/transmissions (which trainers from Tacx and Elite do support): ANT+ Speed/Cadence Profile: This broadcasts just your speed and cadence as a standard ANT+ Speed/Cadence combo sensor. The difference in my testing is about 10w (on 250w). Also, it doesnt take as long to load routes as in ROUVY. Im guessing this is the culprit of the vibrations. The H3 is solid, no ride simulation here, at all. Hope it works out, thank you for the response. My Photography Gear: The Cameras and Equipment I Use Daily, DC Rainmaker 2021 swim, bike, run, and general gear list, Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated November 22nd, 2022 @ 4:20 am, Wired or Wireless data transmission/control, Can electronically control resistance (i.e. However, some races are also available for people with a budget bike trainer. That you and GPLama have issue with the cadence indicates a general issue, which Im sure a firmware update down the road will sort and help with the simulated power variances. You need to have cadence and speed sensors that ROUVY uses for estimating your power. The bar tape comes as two rolls, one per side, and must be wound around the bar to install. This is his site so clearly I trust his work in getting us as unbiased information as he can so there is that also. The lines are almost exactly the same. Hi all, Here's the thing, some people like front wheel blocks, some don't. I recommend lower tension for beginners for easier release. Well, (hope he doesnt see this), I sold the H2 on the local club classifieds, and the purchaser was glad to have a trainer (his first), and the price was more than great for him, and Well I havent heard from him since. And here in TrainerRoad using Bluetooth Smart on an iPad: As with many trainers, Id recommend doing an occasional calibration especially after you move it, or after the temperatures have shifted significantly. This means you can use them with flat shoes or with clipless shoes. You see as I stabilize my pedaling, the two match again and when stable, theyre within 3w (on 365w). So, they are perfect for long, all-day adventures. Trying to decide between Kickr18, 2T or H3. Each time I required support, Wahoo either fixed the trainer or gave me another (my office very close to Wahoo HQ). Thanks so much of your response. Plus there are smart trainers here, all in these guides cover almost every category of sports gadgets out there. We may receive commissions when you click our links and make purchases. Which is pretty much right where I wanted it to be (any faster is actually too rough, and much slower than 4 seconds cuts into shorter intervals too much). I typically do that with my 3030 test via TrainerRoad, though it doesnt really matter what method you use as long as youre looking at big shifts in wattage: And the H3 easily passed this test. And finally, theyve announced their $329 TD1 trainer desk. Really other than the knocking and cheap connector cable I really like the units. So, I decided to change it. Plus heart rate if you want to: Youll notice Zwift has tweaked the pairing artwork to show a Zwift Hub trainer/logo. my weekly podcast - with GPLAMA, which is packed with both gadget and non-gadget goodness! Fortunately, I have a hex bolt TA that I used with my old Kinetic fluid trainer, so I just use that when I ride my Giant indoors, so its not a huge deal either way. Thanks for getting back ray. If it loosens up again, Ill just use a touch of Lock-tight and secure it that way. Thats my biggest issue with certain brands of direct-drive smart trainers. 60 4.2 out of 5 Stars. Most other trainers are simply listed as NO. Upgrading from my Saris Magnus that just died. No problem, here's the platform I use - you can too! And to that end, I think Zwifts done a really good job of striking the right balance in offering a product at a fantastic price point that bats well above every other trainer in that price ballpark. For example, earlier today I did a slightly different variant of that test using Zwift. There were some comments in a DCR thread about a possible connection between Wahoo Climb and Tacx Neo (via the CEOs no less), but we havent seen anything real out of them yet. It was clear in the marketing pics. People with dedicated indoor and outdoor bikes might not be the demographic for the Hub. I even asked the guy working in store to try it with his phone (OnePlus) same thing. However, I looked at the options before I bought and the top of the line Kickr was one I looked into. XD/XDR freehubs sold separately. from my TT bike instead of the power from the Computrainer. Just for context, these specs are very similar to the Wahoo KICKR CORE, which costs $899 without a cassette (figure another $50 for that). I know this might be at a bit of a tangent but Ive noticed that the Elite Zuma finally seems to be available after its failed launch of last year. While the power data sent from the trainer may shift around, that does not affect the ERG workout since TR will continue to fine tune the trainer resistance level each moment based only upon your power meter. Having an adjustable smart bike would be a lot easier, but I am not sure I want to pay 2500 for that confort. First, go ahead and plug in the trainer. Your 8 watt gain on FTP might be real, since FTP is based on many activities and errors tend to average out. Hi DC, Whereas, if I was doing purely structured workouts (e.g. The pedals release tension indicates how difficult it is to unclip. But at the end of the day, you might just be wondering What does Ray use when not testing new products?. In addition, people seemed to like the ability of coast downhill and simulate road feel on the Neo 2. I have Noticed that for a given power on long steady state efforts the cadence required is sometime 1-2rpm different for the same power. Heres a bunch of random trip reports and daily trip-logs that Ive put together and posted. After a few sessions on Zwift Im mostly pleased with the H3s performance. Ive been in contact with Zwift customer support about it and Im awaiting a solution. There is not a shop around me that stocks it. Please keep checking the TNT tracking for further updates. Any insights into the price drop? Their goal here isnt to make meaningful amounts of money on trainers. This means you can pair the trainer and get power/cadence/control, while also pairing up a heart rate strap. Do you typically ride in the big ring or small ring when youre doing your rides? The first back in August/Early September, which I wrote my initial hands-on piece about. Can you clarify or point me in the direction of what the +/-2% means? I guess this may depend on the Virtual Ride software being used, but would figure this would be a relatively expensive way to remedy the situation prior to the firmware being fixed. I stopped a couple of times to tweak the adjusters on the legs, and hopped back on. 11-speed, 10-speed, 9-speed, etc). Nice but how well does it respond to terrain changes on Zwift? (Actually I think most of them were) First world problems, eh. Thanks for this. ), and the Kickr Bike is just insane with inaccurate power loading. I've had this for years, and use it in places where I don't have a big screen or desk, but just an iPad or tablet on my road bike bars. From there Im able to save the file and upload it to whatever platform I like. The Eggbeater 1 is one of the top picks if you want the best affordable gravel bike pedals that are super light at the same time. If you're riding in Sim Mode on Zwift, the GX 1x10 drivetrain with an 11-40T cassette and 40T chainring provides plenty of range, and fewer moving parts also means less maintenance. Thanks. Also, theres thru-axle adapters. Racers prefer stiffer tension to avoid unintentional cleat release. Shimano SM-SH51 cleats allow outward release only, while SM-SH56 release in any direction. I compared the data via ZwiftPower you also can view all the results, zoom in on the graphs etc to see the curves via this URL: link to zwiftpower.com (but you may need to create a free ZwiftPower.com account, I am not sure). I also just put together my complete Gear I Use equipment list, from swim to bike to run and everything in between (plus a few extra things). I purchased the H3 via REI and their 20% off. I can get the Indoor trainer pair option but not split up what pairs on the Edge. Saris sent me a replacement H3. and theyre all sold out. How is the noise level? The H3 was substantially quieter then the H2. As you probably know, apps like Zwift, TrainerRoad, SufferFest, Rouvy, FulGaz, Kinomap and many more all support most of these industry standards, making it easy to use whatever app youd like. I bought my H3 from Tredz here in the UK last week. Thanks for the review. Click above for all the details. Announced about a month ago, this new smart trainer is essentially a repackaged JetBlack VOLT V2 trainer, but at a substantially lower price point than virtually every other direct drive trainer: $499. Hi, They are using the same part, molded from the same tool vs actually designing an appropriately shorter leg and getting tooling for molding that shorter leg. Wanna save some cash and support the site? Time ATAC XC8 pedals function like the Crankbrothers Eggbeater 1 pedals, besides a few differences. If that is your concern you need to change your chain! I have knocking too. But wait, are you a female and feel like these things might not apply to you? Open it up like a jewelry box and youll find the H3 lying on its side ready for your rescue: Once you remove it from the box youve got the trainer still wrapped in a spare garbage bag like a dead body. Some of these turning ones also do steering on Zwift, like the Elite Sterzo Smart. The wheel on trainers just lost their current msrp and the mid range direct drive trainers price just dropped. So Ive updated the info. Certainly not worth it to upgrade to an H3 for a few less decibels and a slightly higher bit of accuracy, but if I was in the market for a smart trainer, Id put the H3 near the top of my list. makes me cry i have a kickr that has now devalued, The description on the zwift website says With Zwift Hub youll feel every () draft from your fellow Zwifters.. Especially when it was on sale. Though, its still pretty easy to stash in a closet as-assembled if you need to. Most of the major apps support doing the same. This allows you to pair your chest strap with the Zwift Hub, and then get pass-through heart rate, so that the trainer handles the HR connection to the app on behalf of your strap. It was however surprisingly quiet. As such, effective now, the trainer brand is shifting from CycleOps to Saris. Randolph, did you check the dropout spacers. Youre just along for the ride simply keep pedaling. The rear wheel has extra reinforcement to send it big, and both rims use Stans BST to eliminate pinch flats and create a better interface with the tire. However, the graphics and physics are more realistic than in Zwift. I havent gotten a unit myself, so I am going on 2nd hand info. The H3 feels great for long ERG efforts, which is mostly what I use the trainer for now. Even with the XD/XDR adapter, it does not work. Keep in mind, Zwift isnt selling this through retail channels, so they dont have to account for a retail markup. Especially when you might not use the device all summer and then start using it again when it turns cold. These pedals have an extended warranty period of five years, so if they break, you can contact the seller and issue a refund. And its roughly the 10-11 minute marker that the Zwift Hub gradually matches the Garmin Rally pedals. Cateye Velo 9 . This means changing or upgrading your grips is easy and compatible. On the apps settings menus, there are choices for: Buy Now. Not knocking it because I do think it is a great warranty, but the Lifetime part is limited. When connected via Bluetooth, it seemed like the resistance changed without any lag as soon as I crested a hill, the resistance reduced. I cover all the units to buy (and avoid) for indoor training. No leaning, swaying, rocking. The H3 doesnt include one, though, we are seeing a slight shift in companies starting to include them such as Elite with the Suito at $799. Ive flagged with Saris and Sigma where I purchased. So far all is well, no knocking noise and I like the really smooth transitions. In Zwift, with simulation mode, you get variability by having the road incline change and by being able to instantly sprint. And being awesome is what its all about! Those trainers simply dont perform as well as the H3 does in ERG mode. DC Rainmaker 2021 swim, bike, run, and general gear list. I LOVE my H3, and rode the H2 so much my wife threatened to get headphones. App Compatibility: Every app out there basically (Zwift, TrainerRoad, Rouvy, RGT, The Sufferfest, Kinomap, etc) Find Cheap Flights with easyJet Over the last 25 years easyJet has become Europes leading short-haul airline, revolutionising European air travel by allowing passengers to book cheap flights across Europes top flight routes, connecting more than 30 countries and over 100 cities.Were not only committed to providing low-cost flight tickets, but also providing a great service to and Sometimes I feel the Stac is a bit of a trudge. Release mode means that you can release your feet from pedals with an outward movement only or by twisting your heel in any direction. Thank you for your very balanced answer. Or you can try this link which came in my E-mail: It is EU link, so I dont know if it is available in the US market. Ive pinged some of my mates looking for smart trainers as this is a perfect entry into the dark world of indoor cycling/racing. The Watopia is open permanently, and the other two worlds change based on a schedule. Just wondering if with the cadence issue, one can pair existing cadence sensors instead? Thank you for this post! I'm one of the ones that do. Use Backcountry.com or Competitive Cyclist with either the coupon code DCRAINMAKER for first time users saving 15% on applicable products. Ensure that the number of speeds matches your bike (e.g. We may receive commissions when you click our links and make purchases. Anyone know what these options do? Uses for an H2: Boat anchor? CycleOpserrnow Saris is getting a bit ahead of the Eurobike show announcement flood by starting early. Game Boy Player - The Game Boy Player is a one-inch tall square that connects through one of the data ports on the bottom of your GameCube. They had 5 in stock when I ordered. I know this might sound silly, but trainer companies have a (very long) history of providing two near-identical, but not identical in length, legs that should be mounted in a specific spot, but can actually be mounted backwards or in the wrong spot. You dont need a smart trainer to use ROUVY. Sure, you can technically use the Zwift companion app to bring in 3rd or more sensors but I find thats finicky as heck and rarely works well (if at all). The second piece is the retaining nut at the end touches the bearing on the freehub adapter. Given how many of them are out there, its actually probably better than the average bear would be my guess. I couldnt remember if it came with one, and apparently it does not. I dont doubt that, looking at OEM costs elsewhere, the pricing lines up. I dont trust Wahoo with their defect rate, so like you, looked at the Saris H3. My brain can only turn off so much of that. The tightening I was talking about is a 5 mm allen wrench used on the drop out spacers. Sorry I cant help more. In this case, I did a warm-up of 10 minutes, and then started my first 1-minute interval. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. Additionally, you can use ROUVY with a power meter. This was the biggest problem with the hammer i.e. Well, I mean, mount your bike to the trainer. So I figured I had to calibrate it. You can use it as well for your own gadget comparisons, more details here.). Its also applicable to YOELEO Canada , Europe , Germany , France , and Japan . If you are looking for pedals that offer a good value for money, then the Shimano M520 SPD pedals are for you. And as always, feel free to post comments or questions in the comments section below, Ill be happy to try and answer them as quickly as possible. This is somewhat back to the older days of trainers (a few years ago). Theres no better test of that than 3030 repeats (30-seconds at a high resistance, followed by 30-seconds at an easy resistance). In any case, the H3 mirrors past protocol support and includes the following protocol transmission standards: ANT+ FE-C Control: This is for controlling the trainer via ANT+ from apps and head units. A puncture resistant tyre with a reflective sidewall. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Hope it will help. That way im removing the bike from the equation. Under the product comparision, one of the line items is CAN ROCK SIDE TO SIDE (SIGNIFICANTLY). Then Ive done a pile of testing in so-called ERG mode on Zwift and otherwise, which is where the trainer is set for a given wattage e.g. But yes, I know there were some issues for some, just not for the unit I have. 5 Seconds 320 watts 324 watts (+1.23%) 3. The Trek Segrafredo team has been using this set up all summer for their warm ups. Hi and thanks for this review! What a bunch a @#$hats to send out a defective refurb. As usual, I put the trainer up against a number of power meters to see how well it handled everything from resistance control accuracy, to speed of change, to any other weird quirks along the way. Both exhibit the knocking issue that i have come across online. Some gravel bike pedals like Crankbrothers Egg Beater 11 come with titanium axles reducing the overall pedal weight. 2. I did two laps of Yorkshire on Zwift so a decent ride. The power cord does include a secondary bendy piece, allowing you to add that into the chain to give it a bit more flexibility. This delay however seems to have stopped any reviews from being published. . Hey Ray which data field its the one on the watch to have a gauge-like view of the power? Perhaps a couple watts high in some sections, such as this: But the graph might make things look worse than it is if you look at the exact values listed up there, were talking +/- 5w off the centerline power device here. In general, Id focus more on regular calibration/spin-downs (of trainers and power meters) anytime you use a power meter, and then every week or two for trainers. The secondary benefit to that is that I get to type less. I ride in the garage and it was ~90 F (big fan on me) and I did ~200 watts on the main climb. I would say the road-feel is better on the H3 than the Tacx NEO/NEO 2 though. Tacx, Elite, and Kinetic also do this but Wahoo remains the odd man out that doesnt include cadence transmission. The fan is much louder then the trainer. As for the H2 and sales, youre in luck. Ill try a replacement from REI. Super-duper close. It did get me thinking that something was up. I swim, bike and run. Finance is subject to application, financial circumstances and borrowing history. Components Meaning, if you cant find stock of the 12sp version, and you dont mind buying your own 12sp cassette, you can buy a different version (e.g. Ive put about 10hr on the H3 trainer so admittedly low usage to date. Still, again my general recommendation here would be that anytime you move the trainer, or if theres significant shifts in temperature in the spot youre operating it in (such as in a cold wintery garage), to do a calibration about 10-15 minutes in, just to be sure. Barclays Representative Example: If total purchase price is 1,399.00 and your selected term is 36 months 11.9% APR Representative, Annual Interest Rate 11.9% Fixed, you would pay 46.00 per month. Thats notable because as much branding as Zwift has thrown at this, this remains a partnership between Zwift and JetBlack, and ensuring youve got a good partner is key especially for longer-term updates and tweaks. A lockring tool (or lockring + a wrench, in my case), and a chain whip. I checked this and found the one on the drive side completely loose which I tightened. I just love riding and want to take this up but I don;t know how to start. a 948w sprint lasting 3 seconds). The thing that dissuaded me from going with it was the amount of people with issues that required it to be shipped back in. e.g., is it a case of spinning for 10 minutes after X minutes of non-use (e.g., 600 minutes, 1200 minutes, etc)? Im really impressed with your comment that the road feel on the H3 is better than that of the Tacx Neo 2. Handle: This unit lacks a handle, which continues to make it slightly awkward to move around I just dont want that. After Im done Ill have them pick it up and return it back to Madison, Wisconsin where it was built. Me and GPLAMA, some 30 meters and umpteen walls away working at the desks were like What the actual fudge are you making so much noise for? Thus, its basically a wash at that point. I can only barely (maybe) break 1,000w for a second or two, and even most front of the non-pro pack cyclists arent going to top 1,800w. Heres to hoping that Zwift can get a proper solution for you after all that. I was wondering is this because the nature of Bluetooth connection versus ANT+? You should check out my videos. But given next week is Eurobike and plenty of announcements are expected, look for me to revamp this default listing in the coming week with other comparisons as new models come out. BUT: About 6 hours into doing the Full PRL 174km route on Zwift it started developing a loud knocking noise inside as if something had come loose and randomly banging against the casing. Our Bay Area experts lead outdoor classes and guided tours to help you decompress and learn new skills. Heads Up Massive Sports Tech Deals List! We do not encourage or condone the use of this program if it is in violation of these laws. Tradeoffs. Get it away from its packaging and youll find yourself a power cord package, some paper stuffs, and the trainer. The Zwift Hub has a flywheel weight of 4.7kg, which is a little bit smaller than the 5.4kg of the Wahoo KICKR CORE. But I use music when I ride so I dont notice the trainer noise at all. It also for short hills very often does not match the resistance on screen. I mean: i usually use the 50 and gear so as to have straight chain line (is it 50-14 or 15? Considering opening the unit, but the sound doesnt seem to affect performance. Ive done a few different routes, but most notably the Titans Grove loop on Watopia. I primarily use Sufferfest and Rouvy. 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